I’ve seen people use the doey/don’t and then taking odd one way or the other. However on this recent trip a guy was using the doey/don’t to be able to roll.
He rolled and laid 4 digit on a number. If the roll continued, he eventually put a 4 digit bet in don’t come.
He didn’t bet on others at the table, only when he was rolling.
Wound up leaving the table after a dispute with the dealer. He used a rainbow of chips in making his don’t bet and was pulling Bennie off a roll.
He had his doey/don’t and had laid the 8 for $1,200. He used his chips and put them on the don’t come,asked the dealer how much he had there. She told him,and he pealed $400 off his roll and told the dealer to make the don’t $1,000. Took her a while but she finally used chips for his don’t come.
Before he rolled, he saw she had only $900 on the don’t.
He insisted it should be $1,000 and after much discussion with the dealer, box,and pit took all his bets down, and started to walk away. He kept insisting he had told her $1,000 . And yes I heard him say that,but whether he had enough for that or not, I do not know. Dealer and box say they didn’t hear he say that.
They told him he couldn’t take the doey part of the bet down so he put the doey/don’t back and rolled several more time before seven out.
I got to think,that might be a way to play without the lay bet part.
Any thoughts?
Noah
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Posted by: Pit Boss on January 22, 2013, 5:15 am
Posted by: ACPA on January 22, 2013, 6:28 am
Noah
Posted by: Skinny on January 22, 2013, 9:20 pm
"ACPA" wrote:
I got to think,that might be a way to play without the lay bet part.
Any thoughts?
Noah
You can expect to lose twice as much betting the doey-don’t for $5 each way than if you just bet $5 on the pass or don’t pass.
Here is a post I wrote that explains the math:
http://www.goldentouchcasino.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2827#p11310
Posted by: ACPA on January 23, 2013, 2:46 am
if you could set for and through say 7 sevens rather than 36, what are your thoughts about laying a large amount after and/or during the come out.
I meant to say without the don’t come bet rather than without the lay bet.
If you can make the seven appear and can play at an empty or one other shooter table, is laying with the vig paid only on wins a good way to play?
Noah
Posted by: Skinny on January 23, 2013, 3:03 am
I do not see a difference between making lay bets when you have a statistical advantage producing sevens vs. making place bets when you have a statistical advantage reducing the appearance of the seven. As long as you do not have to wait long to get the dice back, I suppose lay bets and shooting for sevens is one way to go.
Posted by: getagrip on January 23, 2013, 7:01 pm
I think I remember the Lay bet on the 4 or 10 on the Come Out play from Sam Grafstein’s Dice Doctor book. I am not necessarily supporting it. Only saying that I have read about it in the past. He was suggesting this for a random roller play but it seems like too much exposure for little gain to me on random rollers since you have to Lay $51 to make $25 and of course you can user larger amounts and win more or lose more.
I might be tempted to try this one on myself sometime but I would have to put a lot of numbers into Smart Craps to see which number I rolled least—4 or 10 and keep good stats on what my 7 percentage was on an all 7 set. In the end I still think it would be too much exposure for too little gain unless you are an excellent controlled roller. Unfortunately, I am not in that category yet but you may very well be.
Just my thoughts! 🙂
Posted by: Guest on January 25, 2013, 12:49 pm
As far as the doey/don’t goes I play that often if I can only get on a table with minimum higher than I want to play on the pass line. With a 12 as protection on the come out you can reduce the pass line to a $5 bet by betting $15 pass and $10 don’t.
Clark
Posted by: ACPA on January 25, 2013, 4:43 pm
Hope the chemo is helping.
Noah
