Finisher here is what Alligator Rose and I do. We do a lot of drills such as throwing into a small bowl, using a mirror that is 2 feel by 3 feet at the end of the table to watch out throw, putting tooth picks between our fingers, etc. You get the idea. We don’t count these rolls.

But when we play with chips playing as if we were in a casino, we do count each and every roll. We use only the hardway set. We use chips. I am right handed so I put a $1 chip in my left hand and of course roll with the right hand. After the roll I place the chip in the rail pick up another chip and I am ready as soon as the stick man pushes the dice to me. After the 4th roll I put the four $1 chips back with the other chips and pick up a $5 chip and after the 5th roll place that in the chip rail. You get the idea. In other words I only count the roll after the throw. I know of some who count the roll prior to actually throwing the dice, which does the same thing.

Counting the rolls is what we do. It part of our routine at home in practice as well as in the casino. It works for us since it is simply part of our technique.

I know that many to not count rolls when they are rolling and there is certainly nothing wrong with that. Do hat is best for you when you are practicing as if you were in the casino. The routine should always be the same.

Hope that answers some of your questions. Hope to see you soon in the casino.

Doc and Alligator Rose

If I am recording something like SRR on smart craps, I roll a predetermined number of rolls. If I’ve decided on a 25 roll set, and the 7 is roll number 25, then that’s it. I don’t like arbitrarily ending on a 7 because for data purposes, I think that adds a 7 to whatever the roll is. I’m sure that mathematically, my thinking is unsound, and someone will point that out; however, if I’ve decided on a 25 roll set, and don’t roll any sevens, that is statistically a darn good roll. If I wait for a 7 and it comes on roll 28, then I’m electing to add a 7 to whatever roll I’ve already established.

I no longer record my rolls for SRR, since I know for certain that I’ve got a good enough SRR to play the casinos. I find SRR to be an unreliable guage for anything other than making you feel good when you roll a good SRR set and not so good when you roll a bad one. In real play, however, I’m liable to roll 5 sevens in a 25 roll hand, for example, but if two of them begin the game and two come after made points and the last one ends the game, the roll is profitable regardless of the statistically poor SRR. Anyway, I’m probably over my head here. I’m more interested now in how the dice are feeling and whether or not I’m having an abnormal number of short or ugly looking rolls in practice. Logging an SRR when my throw is not right will only tell me what I already know….that my throw is not ready for prime time….AT THE MOMENT. Suddenly, when you bring the throw back into line, your SRR would look spectacular and your 10 + hands will increase significantly. You can have an SRR of 12 just before you leave for Vegas, then get there, wig out and roll like hammered dogshit. When you know how your throw feels when you’re on, that is what you look for…in my humble opinion. And how it’s feeling when you’re at the table is everything. So, my theory is prove you’ve got an advantage when you’re throw is right, then try to master cool, calm and collected in the casino. Nobody gives a shit what your SRR is in live play, especially if you roll a monster while you’re there! It’s been my experience is all I can say.

Peace and happy rolling.

Alamo

I use a modified version of the form by Sharpshooter. 120 rolls, plus warm-up and DicePilots hardway exercise. I stop after the 120th roll regardless. One color dice other than red and one red. Always throw with the other than red on the left, I throw left-handed. I use various sets with 7’s set on the comeout. I have a Mac so can’t use Smart Craps. Practice takes about 2 hours including the warm-up and analysis afterwards. I play with chips.

OneMoonCircles

What have you been able to learn from the different colored dice? And, once you learn it, are you able to adjust? Just curious.
Alamo

Firstly you can tell which is which and I record the non red die first on the sheet.You can tell which die is off axis instantly, assuming one is off axis, spot double pitches quicker and primary hits
or secondary hits as well. It makes it easier for me to make the correct adjustment if one is needed.

In the casino I see only the right die so then can determine what is happening with my throw and make corrections if necessary, the call then gives me the rest of the info.

This is a useful practice tool. At least for me.

OMC

Alamo – well one side of the GTC wisdom will say count all the sevens against your SRR. Sure it hurts! Now if you are setting for the seven on the come out it should not be counted.

The other side of the GTC wisdom might say the dice gods are watching over you when you are coming out. OR more likely your concentration on come out is just a hair different than during a roll?

Tonight, my mind wandered on a few rolls and the results were not pleasant.

Just a thought.

BTW – congrats on the nice roll report.

Jim

Interesting to read how others record their rolls.

I use a sheet I made for no specific reason other then this is the way it fit on Excel sheet, my practice sheet has 7- rows of 41 throws. I consider my come out rolls totally separate from my documented practice (accept in my simulated practice which I calculate and document in a separate black marble notebook) but for practice I go through a sequence of all the HW’s 2-5 with 6 facing left, then i do one entire row of 3V, 2V and lastly 6T set I’m strongest with 6/2-6/4 for my 6T set don’t know why just am. I use one blue die and one red die I’m right handed with red always on the left and I use two colors so I can tell what die is doing what. I use my Gripper for the first 20 throws of each column and no gripper the last 21 throws. After I document 4 sheets which is just over 1000 throws I use new dice, {still wondering what I’m going to do with all the old dice, but just refuse to throw them away for some reason} I throw 2- sets of dice each practice session. by throwing 4 dice onto my rig it helps me learn to "get legs" as Dom says, when my first throw is in the way I must adjust. I practice at least 5 times a week for no less then an 1 hour to 1-1/2 hrs per session which is roughly 1 & 1/3 sheets unless I do a simulated session then it’s only one sheet. Plus about 8-10 sessions of simulated betting and come outs, that all depends on how many points I make.

I have without a doubt improved and continue to get better, not only do I calculate my SRR but I also calculate HWRR then I study my sheets and sometimes I get nuts with the calculator and average all the numbers 6,8,5,9 so on… I get kinda crazy with stats.. Hey to each his own right.

PatS Have you glued your dice togeather and tried throwing them. Also I think Clll has put some different things on posts with dice that he has done with them.
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

No Finisher I have never thought of glueing the dice together, why and what would that do? How would that help?

See if your throw wobbles a little in the air or just rotate .
Good Rolling . 😀 😀