So very true…….. 🙁

Bill

Ordinarily i would agree with this. however at this point i cant.

A look around the nation indicates a few things that are hard to over-look…

1…. rural america has become irrelevant in terms of national politics
2…. those actually producing for society have become voiceless
3…..the hard working americans dont have the time to demonstrate
for any cause because they are working

4…..those not working are being paid to register others that are not
working increasing voter activity from those that on their own
would never vote.

in short, on a national basis those of us who see America as what it was
or what we think it was intended to be are in the miniority. As Sam
Donalson has said this past week speaking to those he felt were the
tea party republicans… "it is not your country any longer, it is ours"

As terrible as some long time republicans and dems have been, and there is no
question they have been god awful terrible. Perhaps in the background
they are all that has kept us from being a distant memory of what America
was.

I am very easy going, so when i say this it is out of character for me…but
i am going to say it anyway…… as we recall almost all of the founders
of this country lost their property and their fortunes in thier fight to
establish this country. Maybe it is time for all conservative American
business people to do the same. Maybe until every business says we are not
going to open tomorrow, we are not going to open the next day….. you get your
taxes from some one else.,.. maybe until Washington understands until they hear
us, they will not get any money from us…. nothing will happen.

We are willing to go to Afganistan , Bosnia, Iraq, and other places to help them gain freedom,
but we are willing to do damn little here to make sure we keep it.

gman

A truly tragic situation.

Yes it is…..

Couldn’t agree more…

I believe it will take ridding ourselves of congressional "career" politicians by enacting term limitations to see meaningful change.

A reduction of good ol’ boy corruption, greed, power-hungery inflated egos, special interests, PAC’s and lobbyists would be refreshing to say the least.

Although it’s been made to appear that way, the political system and running our country just isn’t that complex. There are "career" politicians who want you to think that it is, however…

Time to attract the best and the brightest from among our ranks. Those wanting to serve for a term or two simply because they love their country.

😎 😎 😎

I’ve already said why I don’t support term limits.

Hover the tax cuts for specific industries, in the fiscal cliff settlement, just shows how strong th lobbyist are.

Noah

In Colorado, we were one of the first States to enact Term Limits for our Politicians. They clearly were not in favor of the law at the time. We were even sued by our own Federal congregation. They won that one and we still reelected the bastards. Term limits were vilified at the time for all the standard reasons, loss of experience, lose of power for individual parties thru dominance of chambers and committees, etc……

In truth, most here in Colorado will tell you none of the Doomsayers were correct. While the faces change as these "Public Servants" cycle in and out the issues remain and for the most part are controlled by Special Interest Groups. Unfortunately, Colorado is currently under the control of four Billionaires who shape all the public discussion thru their wealth and influence. They are openly called the Gang of Four. It doesn’t hurt that one of them also used his money and power to get himself elected to a Federal office. These clowns even form PAC’s to support the weakest opposition candidates they would have their candidates face in primaries.

Term Limits do stir the pot. They will change the minor faces but have little to do with business as usual. They all are bought by special interests that usually have no concern for the "live-a-day" man. Eliminating or drastically reducing the money to be made by Politicians is the only way to truly change our predicament.

Tell me what sense it makes for someone to spend untold millions of dollars to be elected to a job that only pays, in the case of Congress, $174,000 a year. A business man is going to cringe at the RIO on that one. There has to be another reason for the madness. Name one Senator that has achieved the Office and not trebled his personal wealth in less than one 6 year term. Name one that assumed the seat with a net worth less than 1 mil that didn’t achieve the status of multi-millionaire in only one term. Hell, "Our" President went into office with a net worth of just over 1 mil., at the start of year four he and the "First B" had over 11 mil. How did that happen on a salary of $400,000 along with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account and $19,000 for entertainment. What’s the chance your going to be able to get a gig like that. A 1000% increase in three years, hmmmmm. I smell fish.

Guess we can sum it up real plain and simple …. "IT’S THE MONEY, STUPID"

But, I can go all-in on Term Limits. At least its a start that will point the way to more needed changes

Rather than term limits, why not treat campaign funds like income and tax the living shit out of it. While they technically can’t use funds for personal use, running expenses through the campaign allows them to enhance their lifestyle with no out of pocket for them personally.

Just a thought.

if you want to have any affect on them there is one simple way..

no federal pension for senators and congressman…..no perks after you are out of office.

The federal pension allows all retired congressman and senators to live like multi-
millionaires after they leave office. At the present rate of return on your money in the
bank…. you would have to have 7.5 million in the bank to get what they get….

Even a poor public sector union worker in illinois does not do quite that well.

gman