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    Does Hitting the Backwall at its Base Draw More Heat??

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    Hey I finally got my practice rig. Its a beauty. The seller’s choice of pyramids is the most difficult type: they’re the little, very bouncy ones…7/8" from point to point, arranged in a square-grid configuration vs. a diamond coonfiguration. Each pyramid is solid rubber approx. 1/2" high with each side of a pyramid’s base almost 3/4" in length. If a die were to bounce off the table floor and impact one, the die would almost assuredly hit the pyramid’s point, and with all that solid rubber underneath it, really get sent flying straight off the practice table onto my real floor!

    I have evolved a style of dice control where I toss the dice to impact about 1-3" out from the wall. Depending on their landing and roll, they 65% of the time slide against the base of the backwall and back out 3-9" within the space of the rig’s "floor" Which simulates the craps table layout level flats.

    My question to the dice gods of this forum…would my technique of not hitting the pyramids higher up cause significantly more heat turned on me than that of just being "another hopeful dice controller" that they must see their share of each day. (I know from 3 days at Harrah’s that this particular casino does not mind my techniques). If tho this does draw heat, I can order for $60 from amazon larger, much more forgiving, shallower, and much more often used styles of larger pyramids backing that I can glue onto my rig backwall’s unused rear side and then reassemble the rig with that wall becoming the operating backwall. I know that the little pyramids are undefeatable if you hit them…

    –lylastar

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    Posted by: the gman on October 22, 2012, 12:49 am

    Most places i had seen just want you to hit the back wall and
    move the game along, dont play to slow.

    For me i dont want to get the dice to hit to close to the back wall, first i have seen
    many good rolls end when the dice hit the back wall on the fly. Also
    it seems to me you want as much energy as possible to be gone when the
    dice do hit the wall, if you hit very close there is quite a bit of energy
    left.

    gman

    Posted by: Guest on October 23, 2012, 1:15 am

    I find that the majority of the dice-energy that is to be diminished prior to touching the backwall will lose that initial portion of energy at its time if initial impact with the floor of the layout. Yes, if I were to overthrow and hit the backwall without first touching down on the layout floor, it would prove to be a catastrophic throw giving all dice-energy to the backwall’s pyramid matrix. A truly random throw. If tho, as you recommend I impact the backwall many inches farther away from it, and assuming a bounce, let the dice touch the backwall (gently) on their descending arc say 1" above the base of the backwall, the dice would both snag the bottom row of pyramids and go flying off the rig. I.e. for my type of pyramid I must either hit the base of the wall or hit it above the top of where the pyramid matrix starts where there is smooth flat rubber, for me that would be 7 1/4 ‘ to ensure clearance of the top row of pyramid points. The flat rubber up high would add a sharp bounce to the force of gravity since the dice would be in the descent arc of their trajectory out of my hand. A high shot alone may also prove sufficient to eject the dice beyond my rig (1.5 ‘ from the backwall base).

    So only a base shot is feasable without changing pyramid types.

    –lylastar

    (p.s. Please erase or archive off the forum this discussion after 30 days since it contains deleterious information to dice precision throwers in general).

    Posted by: Dominator on October 26, 2012, 12:22 pm

    WE don’t delete post after a certain amount of time

    It is great that you are developing your OWN throw

    Dominator

    Posted by: Guest on October 28, 2012, 9:06 pm

    thanks, Dominator, for the kind words….

    After putting my foot in my mouth a couple wks ago I was beginning to think I was informally blacklisted here since nobody would respond to me. (That was simply me trying to get the most out of this great forum before my 60 free days lock me out, is all).

    It was quite an awakening when I concluded that the good precision controllers here learn to circumvent the highly-randomizing little 7/8" pyramids. That tells me to persevere in spite of that and/or other obscacles. And yeah my throw is evolving. There seems to be no rushing it ‘cept not to lose all my cash while time plays its steady formation roll in my roll.

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