Welcome Danny P! 🙂

You can buy throwing and receiving stations through GTC that are great quality. I am sure Dom would be happy to give you more information about these if you contact him.

First of all, I would go to the section here called "GTC Wisdom" and read these posts as they are full of information on dice control.

Second, as a new player and even when not a new player you can never practice your grip too much. You can always throw the dice onto a bed until you get your practice set up ready to go. Mostly you are just noting how your dice look in the air and making corrections to get them to fly and rotate together. It is amazing how just very small changes in the fingers or thumb position can make the dice look totally different. Also, you are just getting comfortable with picking up the dice and your comfort level with them positioned in your hand properly.

Of course, the biggest thing if you are serious is to take a GTC class as you will not believe how good the instructors are and how much you will learn from one weekend with them.

Good luck on your journey in dice control! 😎

Also helpful if you read old posts . That way a lot of your questions will go away.There is a lot of help on this site just ask.
Welcome Good Rolling. 😀 😀

Read Frank’s books. They give you a great groundwork. Then take a class. That’s like going to college.

There are GTC members playing all over the country. Some just play with other GTCers that they know well. Others are happy to hook up and meet a new guy. Look at the get together board. Post ur plan trips maybe you will make some new friends.

As most here have said, read the books, read the GTC wisdom pages, practice the grip as it instructs in the books. But, I’ll suggest that you wait the throwing part until you take a class. It’s much easier to learn the proper technique than to unlearn the bad habits that incorrect technique imparts before learning the correct way.

Finisher, jaime here again. can you tell me how to get into the old posts ,so i can read them. have tried to get to your old posts,and all i get is old replys from you to other peoples posts. please help me. also ,i tried franks 5 count tonight and after 3 hours of play i won $28.00 dollars. so i took them and bought $25.00 worth of puerto rico state loterry for wed. hope to cash in $100,000 on wed, jaime. thank you.

JaiM iF YOU JUST GO BACK AND OPEN UP OLD POSTS YOU CAN FIND LOTS OF INFO. I brought up one about table for you to see just the first one will not come up when you click on it .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

I have been known to come play with all that want to.

Some people call me mr vegas for my knowledge of where to play and what to do.

FINISHER, here in puerto rico is 1am, i am tired. i still can"t get in to your old posts. will try again tomorow. maybe will have better results. JAIME GARCIA CAMACHO. HOPE TO WIN $100,000 ON WED.

You can also go to search at the top of any post and put in a topic and it will find posts dealing with that topic

Dominator

JaiM I find that some times you need to just go back threw posts to find what you want instead of search . I brought up the TABLE post because I thought you might be interested in it. But if you click on the first part it shows nothing so you need to skip the first part . The rest will show up.
For some reason the posts of earlier months are not there.
When I first got on this site I went back and read ALL posts before posting but that was just me. It did give me answers to a lot of questions before asking them .Just a thought. I know it is a lot of reading.
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

Hi, this is directed more to our hosts Frank Scoblete, the Dominator, Skinny, etc.:

If I respond to this posting it would involve telling him to go to a site where he could buy identical equipment for a price 34.2% what GTC charges. This would damage your bottom line. I am a non-paying guest at this point and am thankful for the wonderful information Frank has enabled me to learn from thru his books. A 2nd item is a similar point of expensiveness contention. I guess my advice is: "investigate all internet options *very* thoroughly. I am a person who has a monthly income thru Social Security of only $778/month. I deeply frown on businesses that inflate prices to "all that the traffic will bear." And yet, here too I sit deeply grateful for the information disseminated in his books (very ok, price-wise) and the free tips posted to the public by GTC. So I will kill all advice directing any person to a competitor site.Just be very very thorough and you will save well greater than half on at least 2 major item categories that a future dice influencer would desire. The one to one classes may very well be worth their $1500, I have no opinion on them except to say that I would sign up myself if I was not a poor person.

That’s all from me. Those who miss reading this will find I will never repeat this warning. You catch it or not…like luck.

–lylastar

lylastar I think those that you mentioned know that their tools are high dollar but are high quality too.I built my own table since I am like you not much money to work with. They care about teaching the game of craps. You pay for what you get .
I did go on inter net for chips. Even building a table yourself is costly. But I have more time then money. ( I hope ).
Good Rolling.

Lylastar. You say you are 56 years old yet your only income is derived from Social Security. As you are still in your prime earning years it may be a good idea to look at a way to earn an income. With a$776 monthly government income you should NOT be in a casino.

You may want to check out Dave Ramsey, he is a radio financial consultant giving good old fashioned advice to people to get their financial lives together.

Just my opinion, I hope this helps you.

Lyster

Since you directed this at me I will answer this …. you are right, if you did mention a competitor your response would have been removed per the rules of this site.

Second, since the majority of your advice is to search other websites for information and less expensive product makes me wonder a few things.

Third, you can buy any product that is produced for less money, from a hotdog, to a car, but the old saying of you get what you pay for certainly pertains to the products that GTC manufacturers and sells. Anyone that has purchased a receiving or throwing station, half table, or full table from us will tell you that our standards of quality are second to none.

Dominator

DOMINATOR, or anybody out their, tell me how a man 56 years old is retire on a social security pension, when you can only retire at age 62 or 65. lylstar, stay out of the casinos. jaime. 68 going on 25.

"lylastar" wrote: Hi, this is directed more to our hosts Frank Scoblete, the Dominator, Skinny, etc.:
I deeply frown on businesses that inflate prices to "all that the traffic will bear."

–lylastar

Lylastar:

Why do you cast a negative comment regarding the pricing of this organization items when you have no clue to the quality and workmanship of the products? I hate buying cheap crap that falls apart after short term use. I would rather pay a higher amount for a quality product made in the USA than get sucked into the China Made "Wall Mart" mentality that this country so focused on.

I purchased my GTC full sized table because I wanted quality that was going to last a lifetime. I use it five days a week and the construction is amazing. It is so strong that I jumped underneath of it during a moderate earthquake we had in California. See attached pic.

Lylastar, enjoy your free membership to the boards but you are way out of line. 👿 😈 😯

Attached files

I have a GTC throwing and receiving station after wasting my money on the cheap kind. I also used to eat cheap ice cream until I discovered Haagen Das. All ice creams are ice creams but some are far better than others. GTC makes excellent products. I would be careful about buying the cheap stuff.

Ok time for an update. I have purchased a receiving station online. I ordered 10-19" mm Grade A dice. I now am thinking I need a tossing station. I might attempt to build this myself. I’m sure somewhere on this site, there are some basic demensions of tables listed. Any help with that?

I have Frank’s newest book coming here soon. I was given a few other ebooks by a friend and I have found some useful videos online.

I guess the homework has started but the practice is about to start.

So would it be expected to setup the tossing station the distance desired from the receiving station to emulate a position on the table you would throw from ? ie, next to the stick man. I figured that would be the case so that you practice the exact throw length you wish to perform.

One more question. The hardway set was recommended for new people over the V set. Does the name alone indicate that more hardways are rolled with this set than statistics should allow? I ask this because the videos recommended knowing how to bet and mainly when the house edge is small. Hardway bets are obviously terrible bets in general for house edge. But, if the hard way set with dice control yields more hard ways rolled than statiscially normal, it would then seem that they would make a killing if bet and possibly pressed.

Thanks for all the replies.

Dominator: I agree with the quality assessment you stated. But, I don’t think you are selling your products with a mimimal mark-up to encourage everyone to buy these products from you on these boards. However, this is your site, so you can charge whatever you want and I am ok with that.

I think IF you are an on-axis shooter you will hit more hardways but only the Smart Craps software can tell you you are an on-axis shooter. The hardways set is a set that protects you against the seven but it does not mean you must be on axis with each die. I read "Cutting Edge Craps" and on-axis shooters who pass the Smart Craps tests can change sets and are recommended that they change sets if their on-axis performance passes.

Are you that good an on-axis shooter that you have passed the three Smart craps tests?

DannyP Have you looked at the table I built? It started out as a practice rig.I got help from people on this site and it saved me a lot of money. It took me awhile for I payed as I built it.
One hit I can give you is that depending on were you are going to put it can make a difference. I put it together and then raised it so I could wash off my patio so the height is off a inch now. Also need to center pyramids. That way there is no seam in the middle of table. Which will give you 2 seams on each side.
If you look at Pics that may get you more interested in a full table . I built it were it stands on my patio.
Hope you have fun building it or the practice rig.
Good Rolling. 😀

"Finisher" wrote: DannyP Have you looked at the table I built? It started out as a practice rig.I got help from people on this site and it saved me a lot of money. It took me awhile for I payed as I built it.
One hit I can give you is that depending on were you are going to put it can make a difference. I put it together and then raised it so I could wash off my patio so the height is off a inch now. Also need to center pyramids. That way there is no seam in the middle of table. Which will give you 2 seams on each side.
If you look at Pics that may get you mo

re interested in a full table . I built it were it stands on my patio.
Hope you have fun building it or the practice rig.
Good Rolling. 😀

where would I see this? Link?

TABLE

"DannyP" wrote:

Dominator: I agree with the quality assessment you stated. But, I don’t think you are selling your products with a mimimal mark-up to encourage everyone to buy these products from you on these boards. However, this is your site, so you can charge whatever you want and I am ok with that.

What is it this morning? Now I am a BIG CAPITALIST that wants to get margin on what we sell. Danny, you have no idea what we pay our carpenter for our rigs. If you know anything about retail markup you would know that most stores need to get 54 to 62 percent markup on their products. GTC, doesn’t even work near those type of markups.

Again I love the way someone says something that makes me bad in someway and then say … I am OK with that.

Man, no wonder this country is going to hell. Now GTC needs to sell their products at a 10 percent markup or no markup at all so we can "encourage" everyone to buy our products. Did someone say "fair share"? Now it is OUR responsibility to make sure that that everyone can gets a throwing station and receiving station. Did someone say "health Care".

I can’t take it anymore!

Dominator

I think it must be the propaganda that some news station push about the politics of how the inept Left..(oopps..sorry)
tries to instill what the free enterprise should be. It ain’t free if they tell us to do something one way, and if it does not agrree with their thinking it is wrong.

And Dom, it must be the moon thing or the food that the attacks have begun.

I think our products are the best. I wish we had a higher markup but then we’d be selling them for $600 per receiving station and $600 per throwing station and $7,000 for our full tables (along with one of your arms and half a leg).

Be happy Dom keeps the prices as low as he does.

And no one is forced to buy our stuff. If no one bought our products, we wouldn’t sell our products.

I look at it this way. Dom went out of his way to find a person that can make a great table and he offers it to us. He also shows us how it is built from start to finish .We then can decide to buy or not.No matter to him but he knows that if you buy it one of his students will be practicing on the best.
I drive a chev. so I built a chev table and I am happy with it.I was just happy that my wife said OK. I think she would have said some else about the RR of table that GTC SELLS.
I think that it is one of the best tables I have seen out there. Also most do not show you how it is built ahead of time.
Good Rolling.

I’m ok with free market capitalism. You can charge whatever you want and put any markup you want on your products. You obviously have high confidence in the quality of your products. Given all of this, why do you censor someone if they post a rig from another site? That’s a free market. People could buy the lower quality rig and in the end they’ll come back to you because the quality is the best. That’s the only contradiction I was attempting to point out.

It’s all good. I’m not here to debate capitalism. I am here to learn about dice control and do better vs. the casinos. 🙂

I’ll answer Danny P. The reason we don’t want other advertising on our site is similar to us putting an ad in a newspaper but also including our competitors’ stuff in that ad. We pay for the site and we want what we want when we want it. That makes sense to me. If you mention a product or give links, we are paying for this site (and this site isn’t cheap) and giving away free advertising.

Next: There actually isn’t "free expression" on this site when it comes to some things, other products included (except if we want those other products mentioned). We are pretty liberal with our "rules" but still the bottom line is our bottom line.

"fscobe" wrote: I’ll answer Danny P. The reason we don’t want other advertising on our site is similar to us putting an ad in a newspaper but also including our competitors’ stuff in that ad. We pay for the site and we want what we want when we want it. That makes sense to me. If you mention a product or give links, we are paying for this site (and this site isn’t cheap) and giving away free advertising.

Next: There actually isn’t "free expression" on this site when it comes to some things, other products included (except if we want those other products mentioned). We are pretty liberal with our "rules" but still the bottom line is our bottom line.

Fair enough. thanks!

1) Get a throwing station and a receiving station NOW!! Yes, I made one at first but all it did was help with distance and NOT accuracy.

2) Read AT LEAST 3 of the books. Read them again. Highlight everywhere. Read them again until you get this new way of playing in your brain. Keep ‘m as a resource for later.

3) Practice thousands of times (like 4-5000 throws). You need to be betting chips and leaning over and holding the dice and up on your toes and throwing thousands of times IN YOUR HOME and you still have a long way to go.

4) Go to a class AFTER your home practice. Some will say before so that you don’t have to break bad habits. Nonsense! You need to be somewhat competent so you will know what you need to tweak.

5) Get a dice setter from GTC. It will help you. It will take you months of using it until your fingers and nerves are used to holding the dice correctly.

6) Go live. Find $5 tables to practice. Follow the 5 count IT WILL SAVE YOU! Don’t Question the masters like so many others. Dom and Frank know EXACTLY what they are doing.

7) Understand this way is work. It’s not funny, happy, smiley face high five drunken feel good craps. This is you against the house. You don’t follow the way, you will lose.

8) Keep a record. Understand you will lose more times than win. When you are winning, and you have been doing it for long enough, you will FEEL that is is time to press.

9) Learn how to press and when and how much.

10) I am sorry, did I forget THE FIVE COUNT WILL SAVE YOU!! Without it you will be eaten alive. I have been consistently the last man standing when everyone else blows out. I was at one table where these people lost at least $150K over 5 hours. I only had a profit of $18. So what, I had a great time and everyone else completely blew out on one of the worst table days I ever saw in my life.

11) Learn the comp game. Just read about it. I have gotten over 8K in room, flight and food comps since I started. Yes that’s nice to have. Some casino’s really don’t cater to craps players. You’ll have to learn which ones on your own.

12) Good luck. I hope you listen, work hard and 2 years from now you will be in a very rare elite group. It’s fun, different, and kind of the trip club for me. 😎

DannyP Did you find that post ? I brought it back up from far away since there seems to be a lot of new posters. Also suggest to look at GTC tables .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

"TheWall" wrote: 1) Get a throwing station and a receiving station NOW!! Yes, I made one at first but all it did was help with distance and NOT accuracy.

2) Read AT LEAST 3 of the books. Read them again. Highlight everywhere. Read them again until you get this new way of playing in your brain. Keep ‘m as a resource for later.

3) Practice thousands of times (like 4-5000 throws). You need to be betting chips and leaning over and holding the dice and up on your toes and throwing thousands of times IN YOUR HOME and you still have a long way to go.

4) Go to a class AFTER your home practice. Some will say before so that you don’t have to break bad habits. Nonsense! You need to be somewhat competent so you will know what you need to tweak.

5) Get a dice setter from GTC. It will help you. It will take you months of using it until your fingers and nerves are used to holding the dice correctly.

6) Go live. Find $5 tables to practice. Follow the 5 count IT WILL SAVE YOU! Don’t Question the masters like so many others. Dom and Frank know EXACTLY what they are doing.

7) Understand this way is work. It’s not funny, happy, smiley face high five drunken feel good craps. This is you against the house. You don’t follow the way, you will lose.

8) Keep a record. Understand you will lose more times than win. When you are winning, and you have been doing it for long enough, you will FEEL that is is time to press.

9) Learn how to press and when and how much.

10) I am sorry, did I forget THE FIVE COUNT WILL SAVE YOU!! Without it you will be eaten alive. I have been consistently the last man standing when everyone else blows out. I was at one table where these people lost at least $150K over 5 hours. I only had a profit of $18. So what, I had a great time and everyone else completely blew out on one of the worst table days I ever saw in my life.

11) Learn the comp game. Just read about it. I have gotten over 8K in room, flight and food comps since I started. Yes that’s nice to have. Some casino’s really don’t cater to craps players. You’ll have to learn which ones on your own.

12) Good luck. I hope you listen, work hard and 2 years from now you will be in a very rare elite group. It’s fun, different, and kind of the trip club for me. 😎

Great post. I read and agree with just about every thing you said.

But, I’d like for you to share for me if you would more about #11. I get great comps from The Palms and also sometimes Cosmo. But, i have never had them offer me flight credits or anything like that. Just some nice rooms and even a small suite recently at Palms Place. What casino do you frequent that has great craps comps? I don’t live in Vegas so I would specifically go to play at this casino while in town if you let me know.

Thanks.

Welcom DannyP. Click on Board Index and then GTC wisdom. Lots of good stuff there. When I started I started throwing on an 8ft pool table I soon bought a GTC practice rig. I would love to have a full size 12ft table but no room right now. Read the book, learn and use the 5 count. Stick with bets that have the lower house edgeesThis information is in the book and enjoy. Once you are ready take the primer. that’s where you will learn the fundementals of a good ttoss under the supervision of the great GTC instructors.Well worth the price if you are serious about learning this skill and pursuing this great hobby/avocation. Hope to meet you someday. I usually play in Atlantic City NJ but I wander to Tunica MS or Vegas on occqasion. I have met and made some great friends in this group, so jump in and enjoy.