What are you baffled about?

You won. We all have a way we look at things. Growing up here in south Texas, I learned from my rancher grandfather that "Pigs get fat; hogs get slaughtered". I look not at my buy in when I get in the game, but at my initial ‘at risk’ investment and figure a fat return from that number. I"ve found that the thing that costs most GTC players the most money is overplaying. Before dice control, my idea was to hang in at a table for hours if need be, in order to catch a wave and make some money. That is a long term losing strategy, but I still see GTC players at the tables for a very long time sometimes. I’ve learned to discipline myself and use what I call the ‘Scoblete rule’ and quit if 3 turns with the dice do not show some results. That means a total of three tries with the dice by me or any of my team members. If it is three losing turns, I’m gone. Period. If its equivocal after 3 turns, I might dip a couple of more times. But, what does a pig do vs a hog, if there’s a win.

Let’s say I’m a $10 player and I get up on 2 numbers initially…the 6 and the 8 at $60 each. That is often how I start–with two numbers…not always the 6 and 8 (I’m not a place bettor by strategy)..but with two numbers the most you can have at risk for a given hand is $120. In my mind, I call that my ‘at risk’ investment for the entire 3 tries at the session. This is a very conservative, so no need to get a debate started on strategy. The all out 3# approach of the Big Skinny is just too adrenalistic for my glands!

To make a long story short, let’s say I lose a little on the first try and on the second try ( if we hit a number with two $60 bets and then 7 out, we’ve still lost only around $50), but on the third go around I or a team member has a streak where I/he/she hits 5 numbers. Since I’ve already lost, say, $150 or thereabouts on unsuccessful tries, I end up with a net profit of $200…(this is oversimplified, but 5 hits x $70/hit = $350 less $150 losses made up in the streak=$200 more than I started with)

$200 / $120 at risk = just under a 60% return on investment or 1.666 times your initial investment. I’d take that return all day long as an investor on a real estate deal, and in a disciplined, hit and run dice game the return happens in less than an hour in all likelihood. Now…hog strategy would be to stay there and keep playing after that and see what happens…

And…a good thing to remember when posting is that not everyone shares your political views, which I would keep to a minimum on a forum dedicated to gaming. I’d say Bin Laden and Khadafi both probably thought Obama couldn’t run the country either.

Alamo

Be honest now. What bets are you making? Also what does Smart Craps say about the type of edge you have?

Aside from what your bets are, here is something most players never think of.

You made a bowling analogy so I will follow that one with this: What if you started your scoring in bowling in the minus category – say you started at minus 150? Now you improve quite a bit. You’d be happy to be at 50. That is some significant improvement.

With controlled shooting everyone is starting in the minus category. Think of what your average losses were when you were a random player? Now you win. The continuum between the losing player you were and the winning player you are now is probably immense. I don’t actually expect you to know what your averages were over the years when you were a random roller but you get the picture.

Your increase because of skill is probably much bigger than you give yourself credit for. Be happy.

Now…what bets do you make?

Time for Math Class… It’s called Variance my friend.

I did not say i was unhappy i said i was baffled.
And a win is always better than a loss.

Gman

You know that bowling point Frank made is a great one. With dice control you are taking a gambler who is probably in a lifetime hole, digging him out and putting him on solid ground or maybe a small hill!

well this is for Bretboy

i am always honest……………….

And as far as my bets are concerned, being honest again i will tell you.

If i am on a table that is not as comfortable for me i start with a $6 6 & 8 and a pass line
bet with double odds if the point number is not a 6 or 8.

I take until i am ahead and then i will press the 6 & 8 from from there on depending on
the table i push/pull or go up 1 unit.
If i feel confortable i will use a come bet to help me spread out.

Most often i use the five count on others or i use a modified dewey donts with single
unit come bet on 4 & 5th roll with single odds if they pass 5.

Smart craps on my table shows i have a very good advantage, and on the smaller table
we play on i have an srr over 10…….

Now i am assuming as your read my post you understood when i asked why i cant get
all the black and purple chips i was being ironical….

As far as my comment about the difference between our rolls now and when we started
i was dead serious…. Other than my work ,i have never done anything on a daily basis
for 3 straight years…. i am amazed at that, but i still like it, and yes i thought i would
be more consistant than i am…… you may note in that last sentence that i said I
thought i would be more consistant….. i did not mention GTC, or the classes or dice
control…. i said me…

So now you have….. my honest answer

gman