OneMoonCircles said: One Blackhawk casino has gone to 3X on the 12.

Makes me wonder how many will get 3x on the 2 or 12 to remain competitive!?

Forgive my ignorance, but is that a Place Bet?

Is there one for the 3 and 11?

I suspect that is 3 instead of 2 on the 12/2 in the field.

Noah

Ahh, that makes sense Noah.

I’ve been watching so much Olympics that I have the scoring of so many different games garbled together in my mind.

I attempted to make a meaningful spreadsheet on the Sharp Shooter bet while watching Soccer, Basketball, and gymnastics. The chart made no sense and neither did I. Won’t post that chart!

No Crapless tables here in Colorado. 2 or 12 in Field pays 3 for one is what OMC is talking about. $5 field earns 15 on the 2 or 12.

I saw that casino where you can get 3x on the 12. We could probably get some of the other best rollers (aside from guys like you OMC) if we cold get the table max above 100 lol. I would hope for higher payouts as a means to compete with other casinos… it would be nice if the best bets got best pay. My wife hates that I dont bet the field anymore. She said we used to have more money coming home when you bet the field even if the books say dont. I get confused sometimes about what bets are best for sure…

My wife would also wish I would bet the Field!

Mike-ro-wave said: I get confused sometimes about what bets are best for sure…

Sensible Bets
Pass
[list]Multiple Roll Bet[/list][list]1.41% House Advantage[/list]
Don’t Pass
[list]Multiple Roll Bet[/list][list]1.36% or 1.40% House Advantage[/list]
Come
[list]Multiple Roll Bet[/list][list]1.41% House Advantage[/list]
Don’t Come
[list]Multiple Roll Bet[/list][list]1.36% or 1.40% House Advantage[/list]
Place 6 or 8
[list]Multiple Roll Bet[/list][list]1.52% House Advantage[/list]
Buy 4 or 10(Commission on win)
[list]Multiple Roll Bet[/list][list]1.67% House Advantage[/list]
Odds 0n Pass, Don’t Pass, Come, and Don’t Come
[list]Multiple Roll Bet[/list][list]0.00% House Advantage[/list]

I understand the general idea of what the good bets are. They revolve around the math. For the math to play out you need large numbers though. The 7 will show up according to the math if you could analyze all the rolls in a casino on a particular day, modified by controlled shooters, but any particular roll is going to have rolls that do not match the math exactly. Someone within a space of an hour may see someone roll 12 three or four times and it may not appear again for hours. It is the law of large numbers, and even if you have a monster roll like the Captain (100+) you still do not have what a Statistician would call large numbers. Any particular roll would be too small for statistical analysis. So the edge only grinds against you in the largest picture. So it seems like betting some of the "bad bets" might make money if done sparringly. Does anyone agree?
Note: I am a huge fan of GTC and want to get autograph posters of the teachers to hang on the wall. I am trying to strive to follow the teachings, I am just still gambler enough not to see the harm in betting outside the scope once in a while.

I liked putting a dollar on the sharpshooter bet, even though I rarely make 3 points or more, because it is only a dollar and I waste larger amounts on stupid stuff even when I am not at the table, but I thought it was the same as someone taking odds. I never take odds if the shooter doesnt have any because I do not believe he has any confidence. I want to show the Universe that I believe it can happen. Am I still crazy then??
(Yes is an acceptable answer btw) 🙂

As has been posted here before, on a particular trip, as you say, anything can happen.

However, if you go a a casino often enough then it does nt take many trips to start to approach the long term.

You can be an advantage player by betting like GTC advises or you can be a Gambler and hope you catch a long run.

It’s your money so do whatever you want.

Noah

What is the house edge with the 2 and 12 paying three two one in the field?

House edge on the Field Bet:
Both 2 and 12 paying 2:1 = 5.56 percent
Either 2 or 12 paying 3:1 with the other paying 2:1 = 2.78 percent
Both 2 and 12 paying 3:1 = 0.00 percent

so they are saying that both pay 3 to one that makes them every bit as good as odds?

Now if you have some form of control this is a bet that can be beat up and down.

smart craps will tell you what set is best ffor you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Using Units instead of fractions, decimal and percent

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Field Bet: 2 or 12 pays 3-1
Don’t feel sorry for the poor casino, they only payout the bonus two times out of thirty-six rolls.
They win twenty times while the bettor wins only sixteen times.
A bonus increases the amount of the win, but not the frequency.
Mathematically, I can’t equate a bonus with a hit on the number!!!

Field Bet with Two Bonus on the 2 and 12 or the 2 and 12 pay triple[/tds]
Toss Results[/tds]	Frequency[/tds]	Win/Loss[/tds]	Net Results[/tds]
2[/tds]	1 x[/tds]	Win 3 Units[/tds]	+ 3 Units[/tds]
3[/tds]	2 x[/tds]	Win 1 Unit[/tds]	+ 2 Units[/tds]
4[/tds]	3 x[/tds]	Win 1 Unit[/tds]	+ 3 Units[/tds]
5[/tds]	4 x[/tds]	Lose 1 Unit[/tds]	– 4 Units[/tds]
6[/tds]	5 x[/tds]	Lose 1 Unit[/tds]	– 5 Units[/tds]
7[/tds]	6 x[/tds]	Lose 1 Unit[/tds]	– 6 Units[/tds]
8[/tds]	5 x[/tds]	Lose 1 Unit[/tds]	– 5 Units[/tds]
9[/tds]	4 x[/tds]	Win 1 Unit[/tds]	+ 4 Units[/tds]
10[/tds]	3 x[/tds]	Win 1 Unit[/tds]	+ 3 Units[/tds]
11[/tds]	2 x[/tds]	Win 1 Unit[/tds]	+ 2 Units[/tds]
12[/tds]	1 x[/tds]	Win 3 Units[/tds]	+ 3 Units[/tds]
Total[/tds]	36[/tds]	[/tds]	– 0 Units[/tds]

Field Bet: 2 or 12 pays 3-1	Random	Times	Payout	Equals	Return
Number Tossed	Frequency
2	1	x	1 + 2*	=	3 Units
3	2	x	1	=	2 Units
4	3	x	1	=	3 Units
5	4	x	-1	=	-4 Units
6	5	x	-1	=	-5 Units
7	6	x	-1	=	-6 Units
8	5	x	-1	=	-5 Units
9	4	x	1	=	4 Units
10	3	x	1	=	3 Units
11	2	x	1	=	2 Units
12	1	x	1 + 2*	=	3 Units
Totals	36	.	.	.	0
Red = Player loses	20	.	* Equals a bonus	.	.

The House Advantage/Disadvantage will vary according to your ability and dice set.