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I have played at an (old) Laughflin casino for a number of years, i dont like the table so i dont play alot there each trip.. I have seen every year the dealers encourage new players to place a $5 line bet and then a $1 lucky bet next to the line bet for them, at times they also ask them to make minimum place bets with $1 lucky bet.
AS you know, this makes the odds against the player worse than a loan shark.

The new people have no idea what happens to all their money

Monday i saw something different.

WE were on a decent roll and after a couple of hits the dealer asked the 3 guys next to me to place a $5 line tip bet so he could play along, then said if you add odds it is even better. So the guys were playing $5/$25 odds on pass line and $20 for the dealers. I had my usual $1 on top and on the side. Each hit the dealer would take the line bets/ odds and profit and slide them to the boxman and then request another line tip bet with odds.

We all had place bets at $24–$60 and each win the dealer would say drop me a red chip and a white chip and i will be on the 8 or 6 etc, with you…. ( 4 guys including me)
he would place the $24 on the eight or 6 etc. when it hit he would slide the $24 place bet and winnings
to the box man and then state in a low voice here are your winnings on the 8, drop- me a red chip and white chip and i will go back up on it with you.
Each hit he was taking the $24 bet plus $28 profit for $52 and sliding that to the boxman… he was actually making more on each than the players.

At first we felt he was just asking to drop a red and white because he was paying us in larger chips…. but it was for his play.

Over the roll the dealer raked in hundreds…. i would say more than any
player made.

I admit to not being a big tipper, but i tip all the time…. i felt this was very
wrong…
I feel this crew is taking advantage of players not understanding not only the
math of the game, but what is reasonable expectation of treatment by the
crew. I was also upset because three times during that roll they screwed my
pay, once by taking down a complete come bet and odds, and also missing a
payment on a $24 6 and then 8. They were either pissed i was not tipping as
much or they were paying to much attention to their own bets.

I called the casino manager and stated my complaint.. i indicated how long i had seen the activity of taking advantage of new players also indicated others had mentioned that to me including a number of casino people in Laughflin. He seemed to be upset
and said he has heard there is a problem there, and needs help to stop it and wants a letter of complaint indicating what happened with my name on it.

I have decided ( with guidance) to not forward a complaint with my name on it. There
are a couple of reasons for this, First the crew knows me by name One boxman and dealer
are originally from close to me in Wisconsin) and i dont want
to be singled out there.

Also i am a dice setter and i dont want them to take that out on others

Finally, this activity was so blatant any decent review of the tapes could
show the bets being placed and the money handed to the boxman…

It is funny they single us out for dice setting because we are trying to win and they
grind every dollar they can out of people that dont pay attention or are
new players.

gman


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Posted by: Finisher on July 28, 2012, 6:52 am

When I play there it reminds me of State fairs and the big hustle you get you to play. (take your money ) It has been going on for as long as I can remember.I have been at other casinos were they ( dealers talk to each other about this. ) I listen but never say any thing and pretend that I am not hearing what they are saying.
I feel that a dollar on the line for them with pressing one on every hit I get is enough. That can add up if I roll several times. I always try to remember that they never loose . ( it is not their money at risk. )
Some casinos will let you press the dealers bets and others will not. Even the same casino has different ways with each pit person that is on duty.I guess there is no written law about this it is up to the casino???
At one casino I could piggy back a bet then the shift change and said that was not allowed any more.
Maybe some one knows if there is some thing written in the law about this?
I have even been told that you can not par lay your bets but you can add what every you want.I guess they did not like the word par lay or they did not want the dealers making more money.
So I just try to stay away from bets like I control for the dealers it just brings to much attention to myself.The setting of dice brings enough.

Sorry that you did not have a good time in Laughlin. I like playing there. I started playing there when there was only 3 casinos.
It is amazing that at some of the casinos as soon as you set the dice they are all over you about hitting the wall were others say nothing until you miss it a few times or not at all.
LIKE MY 5.00 BET IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR BOTTOM LINE.
Good Rolling. 😀

Posted by: Guest on July 28, 2012, 11:05 am

I posted under the wrong heading. I’ll say it again. I’d stay away from this joint. I am sure they are all in on it.

Posted by: Dr Crapology on July 28, 2012, 11:45 am

I have seen dealers hustling tips, by trying to take the player on a guilt trip—the player has usually had too much to drink. They say something like "don’t forget my bet" or "you are going to put odds down for me on that bet." The player feels guilty so he makes the bet or adds the odds for the dealer. These guys are hustlers and I usually leave the table. I have only seen this in Vegas and, in all places, Aruba.

This does not concern craps. but many years ago before GTC, I was playing some three card poker and won a nice pot–a straight as best I can remember. So instead of giving the dealer a $5 tip I placed the $5 as a tip on the pair plus bet along side my of10 bet. As luck would have it I got three of a kind which pays 30 to one—a $150 win for the dealer and $300 for me. The dealer scooped up the $155 (the $5 and bet and the $150 win) and put it in the toke box. No so much as a thank you or a kiss my a** for the bet. I will never do that again. If I were to play play three card poker (which I don’t now that I am an advantage player) I would place $15 on the pair plus bet and if I hit the 3 of a kind I would tip maybe $25. I do expect the dealer to, at the very least, say thank you. By controling the bet I can tip what I want.

Just a thought.

Doc

Posted by: Cmcierra on July 28, 2012, 1:32 pm

Tipping the dealers should not be made out of guilt. Tip them accordingly and when you are shooting the dice.

cmcierra

Posted by: Guest on July 28, 2012, 5:26 pm

Totally unprofessional. Skip playing there.

Posted by: NofieldFive on July 28, 2012, 6:46 pm

Dealers Toke Hustling = No Bet for the Dealers

NFF

Posted by: Guest on July 28, 2012, 7:22 pm

I agree about not using your name. You never know. Just avoid the place. Sounds like a crummy group of people to me.

Posted by: Guest on July 29, 2012, 3:05 am

hey; i played there this past feb. it was funny the first 2 times they hussled me out of 6 bucks- but after that i said hang loose i need to make some money myself first. wow i did’nt stay long after that , stick said you must throw harder, faster, slower ,softer, higher, lower you are a dice setter . ok , now you get no tips and there are plenty of other places to play see you later. you never know what the next funny story will be. just one more story to add to my gambling life.

Posted by: brothelman on July 29, 2012, 3:22 am

I love this place for the simple reason they leave me alone no matter how many hardways i throw since they are on top.

Just my two cents.

Posted by: OneMoonCircles on July 29, 2012, 5:26 am

Soliciting is illegal in Colorado. Still, several casinos dealers come close and it irritates the hell out of me. I just ignore them and don’t place any bets for them when they start that.

OMC